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Comment on The Myth of Perfect Preservation: Examining a Variant by alex

alex — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:19:50 +0000

Personally, I believe both the Bible and the Quran were oral traditions that were written down at some point later than they were received.

As such, there will inevitably be some changes as oral tradition is generally not fully reliable..
The act of compilation of Mohammed’s recitations, I believe, was primarily carried out by Zaid at the direction of Abu Bakr.
(Bukhari 6:59).
According to Bukhari, Zaid said he collected it from palm stalks, thin white stones, and from men who knew various parts by heart.
Zaid further states that the last verse Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) was remembered by only with one man (Abi Al Ansari) and no one else. In other words corroboration of that verse rested with only 1 man and there was no one else to verify its accuracy.
In additon, palm stalks and stones (and I believe camel bones also were used) implies a somewhat haphazard process of documentation. One can see that the whole pocess of compilation depended a lot on Zaid’s memory and judgement about which men’s memory was reliable as well as trying to make sure all the written verses preserved on palm stalks, etc, were gathered together .
Zaid himself recognized this as a very difficult task and likened it to shifting a mountain (again, Bukhari 6:59)
To believe that the Quran is unaltered from the original and complete recitations by Mohammed means that one must believe that the intermediate step of compilation by Zaid was also thoroughly under God’s direct control. That intervention on God’s part would have to be considered almost as siginificant as the revelation themselves.
Needless to say the claim that the present version of the Quran as documented by Zaid is unaltered from the original revelations, is going to be increasingly difficult to defend in an age of free and open inquiry where scholars have more access to info unknown to past generations.

Comment on About by alex

alex — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:37:18 +0000

unfortunately, statistics tell only part of the story.
There are more than a few people in Islamic countries who would leave the religion or perhaps convert to another, e.g. Bahai in Iran, who dare not because of the consequences for themselves and their families. To be an “apostate” in Islam is to bring upon yourself deadly consequences.
Better to keep your mind numb and your mouth shut and go with the flow. Don’t ask questions and don’t rock the boat.
The moderates certainly won’t defend you when the radicals come to your home to slit your throat for abandoning your birth religion.
“Ein volk. Ein reich. Ein Caliph”

Comment on The Predictable Nature of Muslim Apologetics by alex

alex — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:24:15 +0000

Thanks for the info.
As Islam comes under critical study in a way it never was subjected to before in the modern age, it will be hard-pressed to make a credible defense of its claims as having a monopoly on truth. A few muslims will just become violent in response to a questioning of their beliefs about the perfection of the Quran and its Messenger. Some will become increasingly reclusive, restricting their sphere of interaction only to like minded believers. Others will seek to satisfy themselves or others with specious arguments and intellectually dishonest rationalizations. But some will open their minds and begin to take the first steps to questioning and to freedom.

Comment on Variant Readings of the Quran – Are They All the Same? by alex

alex — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:06:53 +0000

Excellent article. Thank you.
Oral preservation is notoriously inaccurate, and it is clear that the Uthmanic version of the Quran compiled painstakingly by Zaid after Mohammed died is only one of many. The process by which the Uthmanic version was accepted as the only one appears to have been largely driven by political considerations at the time.

Comment on Islam: Not The Fastest Growing Religion In The World (and other Myths of Islam) by Jesus

Jesus — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:48:01 +0000

Syaloom every body
I’m from Indonesia and I’m a Crist follower
(sorry for my English)
Haloo Michal smit
I want to show U something
But in Qoran shows that is Yesus is the “infinite”(god).
read this. it’s writen in Qoran

*ONLY ALLAH SWT. CREATOR OF MORTAL
“… innal ladzina tad`una min dunillahi lay yakhluqu dzubabaw wa lawijtama`u lahu….”(Juz 17 Al-Hajj letter 22 sentence 73).
“…In fact which you exclaim besides Allah, they do not once can make them although fly congregate for that ..”

*ISA as. HAVE CREATED MORTAL.
“..Inni akhluqu lakum minath thini kahai-atith thairi fa anfukhufihi fayakunu thaira..”(Juz 3 Ali-Imran letter3 sentence 49)
“..In fact I come to you by bringing a sign (miracle) of your The infinite that me make for U of land;ground in form of bird, then I breeze it, hence he become bird..”

*ONLY ALLAH SWT. KNOWING DOOMSDAY.
“Innallaha `indahu `ilmus sa`ati…”(Juz 21 Lukman letter 31 sentence 34).
” Allah have a crack of doom science”

*ISA as. ALSO KNOW DOOMSDAY and HE is The Right Way
“Ihdinash shirathal mustaqim”(Juz 1 Al-Fatihah letter 1 sentence 6).
“God show us the right way”.

“Wa innahu la`ilmul lis sa`ati fa la tamtaruna biha wat tabi`uni hadza shiratum mustaqim” (Juz 25 Az-Zhukhruf letter 43 sentence 61)
“And in fact that Jesus gives correctness knowledge about doomsday, thats way you don’t hesitate about that doom and follow the right way”

there so many things I like to show that in Qoran says ISA as. IS a SAVIOR
but I wait comment from michal smit first

Comment on Fitna by Zizou

Zizou — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:44:51 +0000

i think he is fighting for his own freedom of practicing bad behaviours which is not good if you want to fuck go and fuck your wife.

Comment on Man Beats (then shoots) Daughter to Death for Chatting on Facebook by saudi

saudi — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:27:09 +0000

i am a Saudi and i don’t use facebook for sex only sick people or people how don’t have any think in there life use it for sex

Comment on Sharia Law Strikes: Killing Wives vs Stealing Rams by eaglelover

eaglelover — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:46:24 +0000

what part of killing your wife dont the islamic people understand? you are a murderer!! and what part of thou shalt not kill dont they understand? do not bring any more who hate the west into the great southern land

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